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Community beta data · 2026-10-25. October 15 trees and final official corrections are included, plus three reported 70450 changes: Champion of the Light, Missile Barrage and Amplify Curse. Base values still come from 70425; unresolved scaling and tooltip conflicts remain. Original client-build reporting is not an independent in-game test. October 21 adds Counterattack’s flat damage and Wild Growth’s party radius; Wild Growth healing and other numerical conflicts remain unresolved. The October 20 Mage hotfix positions, Elemental Precision ranks and Piercing Ice removal are included from the admitted community lineage. Frost Warding and Missile Barrage hotfix effects are also included. Ice Barrier now includes the October 20 Frost-damage bonuses and explicitly identifies its rank-1 base before scaling. Champion of the Light’s 20/40/60% ranks are now traced to the exact October 20 client hotfix; the earlier 10/20/30% values describe the unhotfixed curve. Vindication’s AP reduction scales with level; the exact level and rounding behind its displayed community values remain unresolved. Other numerical differences remain unresolved; this is still partial reconciliation. Mutilate’s rank-1 flat bonus is corrected to 17.25 from the exact client tooltip formula. Remaining unresolved values include talents without an individual warning; no full beta parity or independent combat test is claimed. Seven cast-time protection tooltips now use the October 23 community export; this limited text reconciliation does not establish current-game or launch parity.
Blizzard’s October 15 notes establish the announced changes. Later server-hotfix reporting is kept separately dated. The 70450 comparison also used WoW Forever data (CC BY 4.0) and the author’s Forever Guides talent table. Their incomplete or conflicting records were not substituted for verified talents.
October 20 Mage effect hotfixes: exact ranks for Frost Warding and Missile Barrage from The Forever Era’s client reconstruction, with the WoW Classic Forever changelog for context. These are reported client data, not an independent ForeverAtlas in-game test.
Data: Talents Forever · CC BY 4.0 · adapted by ForeverAtlas. Icons © Blizzard.
Plan your route to Riposte, Flawless Execution or deeper damage talents in the partial beta trees revised for October 15. Sellin’s older level-20 example stays available, but his current guide’s prose and selected calculator disagree on one level-30 point.
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Combat · Level 20
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Talent data: 2026-09-17
Guide updated 2026-09-17. Talent data: 2026-09-17 · 1.60.1.69876.
Historical allocation · current guide conflicts
Sellin’s earlier level-20 setup combines early attack talents with Precision and Puncturing Wounds. His October 2 guide is for level 30; its text and calculator disagree on one point, so we have kept this dated allocation.
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Increases the duration of your Gouge ability by 0.5 sec.
Increases the duration of your Gouge ability by 1.5 sec.
After killing a non-trivial enemy, gives you a 20% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, Mutilate, or Ghostly Strike. Lasts 20 sec.
After killing a non-trivial enemy, gives you a 40% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, Mutilate, or Ghostly Strike. Lasts 20 sec.
Increases your critical strike chance with all attacks and Poisons by 1%.
Increases your critical strike chance with all attacks and Poisons by 5%.
Gives your finishing moves a 20% chance to add a Combo Point to your target.
Gives your finishing moves a 60% chance to add a Combo Point to your target.
Increases all damage dealt by 2% against Humanoid and Giant targets.
Increases all damage dealt by 4% against Humanoid and Giant targets.
Increases the duration of your Slice and Dice ability by 15%.
Increases the duration of your Slice and Dice ability by 45%.
Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per Combo Point to restore 25 Energy.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Expose Armor ability by 5, and refunds 1 Combo Point when cast with 5 Combo Points.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Expose Armor ability by 10, and refunds 2 Combo Points when cast with 5 Combo Points.
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Mutilate, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities by 4%.
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Mutilate, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities by 20%.
Requires 5/5 Malice.
Increases the damage dealt by your poisons by 4% and gives your poisons an additional 8% chance to resist dispel effects.
Increases the damage dealt by your poisons by 20% and gives your poisons an additional 40% chance to resist dispel effects.
When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, Eviscerate, or Mutilate by 100%.
Increases the chance to apply Poisons to your target by 2%, and gives Poison applications a 10% chance to not consume a charge.
Increases the chance to apply Poisons to your target by 10%, and gives Poison applications a 50% chance to not consume a charge.
Increases your maximum Energy by 5.
Increases your maximum Energy by 10.
Instantly attacks with both weapons for 75% weapon damage plus an additional 17.25 with each weapon. Damage increased by 20% against Poisoned targets. Awards 2 Combo Points.
The 17.25 is the rank-1 client tooltip’s unrounded flat bonus, calculated as 23 × 75%. Actual damage also depends on your weapons and combat modifiers; it has not been independently tested in game.
Enemies Stunned by your Kidney Shot ability take 5% increased damage from your poisons and attacks.
Enemies Stunned by your Kidney Shot ability take 10% increased damage from your poisons and attacks.
Your critical strikes from abilities that add Combo Points have a 20% chance to add an additional Combo Point.
Your critical strikes from abilities that add Combo Points have a 100% chance to add an additional Combo Point.
Finishing move that increases the damage of your Poisons by 30% and your chance to apply Poisons by 10%. Lasts longer per combo point: 1 point : 9 sec 2 points: 12 sec 3 points: 15 sec 4 points: 18 sec 5 points: 21 sec
Requires 1/1 Mutilate.
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 7%.
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 20%.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 3.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 5.
Increases your Dodge chance by 1%.
Increases your Dodge chance by 5%.
Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab by 10% and your Mutilate by 5%, and gives Backstab a 15% chance to add an additional Combo Point.
Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab by 30% and your Mutilate by 15%, and gives Backstab a 45% chance to add an additional Combo Point.
Increases your Parry chance by 2%.
Increases your Parry chance by 6%.
Improves your chance to hit by 1%.
Improves your chance to hit by 3%.
Reduces the cooldown of your Sprint and Evasion abilities by 30%.
Reduces the cooldown of your Sprint and Evasion abilities by 60%.
A strike that becomes active after parrying an opponent's attack. This attack deals 150% weapon damage and disarms the target for 6 sec.
Requires 3/3 Deflection.
Gives a 50% chance to remove all movement impairing effects when you activate your Sprint ability.
Gives a 100% chance to remove all movement impairing effects when you activate your Sprint ability.
Gives your Kick ability a 50% chance to Silence the target for 2 sec.
Gives your Kick ability a 100% chance to Silence the target for 2 sec.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Eviscerate ability by 10.
Increases the damage done by your off-hand weapon by 5%.
Increases the damage done by your off-hand weapon by 25%.
Requires 3/3 Precision.
Increases your melee attack speed by 20% and your melee attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 sec.
Gives your melee weapon attacks a benefit depending on the weapon. Axe/Sword: Your successful melee attacks have a 1% chance to trigger an extra attack on the target. Dagger/Fist: Increases your critical strike chance by 1%. Mace: Your attacks ignore 3% of your target's armor.
Gives your melee weapon attacks a benefit depending on the weapon. Axe/Sword: Your successful melee attacks have a 5% chance to trigger an extra attack on the target. Dagger/Fist: Increases your critical strike chance by 5%. Mace: Your attacks ignore 15% of your target's armor.
Reduces the chance for your attacks to be Dodged or Parried by 1%.
Reduces the chance for your attacks to be Dodged or Parried by 2%.
Requires 1/1 Blade Flurry.
Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike, Backstab, and Eviscerate abilities by 2%.
Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike, Backstab, and Eviscerate abilities by 6%.
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 sec.
Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 3% and reduces its cooldown by 2 sec.
Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 15% and reduces its cooldown by 6 sec.
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode as if you were 1 level higher.
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode as if you were 3 levels higher.
Increases the damage dealt by your Backstab, Garrote, Ambush, and Mutilate abilities by 5%.
Increases the damage dealt by your Backstab, Garrote, Ambush, and Mutilate abilities by 10%.
Gives you a 33% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging one of their attacks or fully resisting one of their spells.
Gives you a 100% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging one of their attacks or fully resisting one of their spells.
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 45 sec.
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 90 sec.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 25%.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 50%.
Increases the critical strike chance of your Ambush ability by 15%.
Increases the critical strike chance of your Ambush ability by 45%.
Gives you a 33% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
A strike that deals 125% (180% if a Dagger is equipped in your Main Hand) weapon damage and increases your chance to dodge by 15% for 7 sec. Awards 1 combo point.
Increases the radius of your Distract ability by 3 yds, and further reduces the Stealth detection of distracted enemies as though they were an additional 1 level lower.
Increases the radius of your Distract ability by 5 yds, and further reduces the Stealth detection of distracted enemies as though they were an additional 2 levels lower.
Increases your Stealth detection as if you were 1 level higher and reduces your chance to be hit by spells and ranged attacks by 2%.
Increases your Stealth detection as if you were 3 levels higher and reduces your chance to be hit by spells and ranged attacks by 4%.
Adds 2 Combo Points to your target. You must add to or use those combo points within 20 sec or the combo points are lost.
Causes your attacks to ignore 3% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 10%.
Causes your attacks to ignore 9% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 10, and your Garrote ability no longer requires you to be behind your target.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20, and your Garrote ability no longer requires you to be behind your target.
When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your other Rogue abilities.
An instant strike that deals 100% weapon damage (145% if a Dagger is equipped) and causes the target to take 15% increased Rupture damage from the Rogue. Lasts 15 sec. Awards 1 Combo Point.
Requires 3/3 Serrated Blades.
Your Sinister Strike, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities cause 2% more damage against targets below 35% health.
Your Sinister Strike, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities cause 10% more damage against targets below 35% health.
Requires 2/2 Dirty Deeds.
Your Backstab has a 3% chance to cause your next Ambush within 10 sec to not require Stealth.
Your Backstab has a 15% chance to cause your next Ambush within 10 sec to not require Stealth.
When your Rupture ability deals periodic damage, the Energy cost of your next Hemorrhage or Backstab ability within 10 sec is reduced by 3, stacking up to 5 times.
Requires 1/1 Preparation.
Choose a level from 10 to 60. You get 11 points at level 20 and 51 at level 60. Each row needs five more points in earlier rows. Arrows show which talents you must complete first.
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